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TOPIC: "virtual" theft leads to real life arrest
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 9:30 am
From: d3ad baby 3at3r

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7094764.stm

The 17-year-old is accused of stealing 4,000 euros (£2,840) worth of
virtual furniture, bought with real money.

Five 15-year-olds have also been questioned by police, who were
contacted by the website's owners.

The six teenagers are suspected of moving the stolen furniture into
their own Habbo rooms.

A spokesman for Sulake, the company that operates Habbo Hotel, said:
"The accused lured victims into handing over their Habbo passwords by
creating fake Habbo websites.

"In Habbo, as in many other virtual worlds, scamming for other people's
personal information such as user names has been problematic for quite a
while.

"We have had much of this scamming going on in many countries but this
is the first case where the police have taken legal action."

Habbo users can create their own characters, decorate their own rooms
and play a number of games, paying with Habbo Credits, which they have
to buy with real cash.

"It is a theft because the furniture is paid for with real money. But
the only way to be a thief in Habbo is to get people's usernames and
passwords and then log in and take the furniture.

"We got involved because of an increasing number of sites which are
pretending to be Habbo. People might then try and log in and get their
details stolen."

Six million people in more than 30 countries play Habbo Hotel each
month.

Virtual theft is a growing issue in virtual worlds; in 2005 a Chinese
gamer was stabbed to death in a row over a sword in a game.

Shanghai gamer Qiu Chengwei killed player Zhu Caoyuan when he discovered
he had sold a "dragon sabre" he had been loaned.

--
Rob Cypher
robcypher.livejournal.com
Usenet vet '96 to infinity....

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TOPIC: Current Forecast for Jets Game
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 9:40 am
From: "$DIETY"

"Lark" <jelarkspur@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e7c4031a-dec8-4c0b-b92c-df2e8830a1b5@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> As of Tuesday morning, the forecast for Sunday is:
>
> 27 degrees
> 70% chance of snow
> 28 mph winds
>
> This will not help the passing game. The good news is this is New
> England and there's plenty of time for the forecast to change, but the
> weather situation merits watching. I was leaning towards taking the
> "under" anyway even on a clear day. People talking about scoring 70+
> on the Jets are out of their minds. This is Mangini's one and only
> chance to salvage something from this season and get revenge upon
> Belichick, and I fully expect him to use all the usual tactics to
> "shorten" the game. My prediction is the Patriots won't score more
> than 35 points, but that high 20s will be enough to win the game.

I've set these things in motion to screw (can a $DIETY say that?) up the
Jests game planning.
I'll fix it before Sunday (it's my day of rest).

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 9:51 am
From: "TXRhody"

"$DIETY" <diety@pearlygates.net> wrote in message
news:13ltisqq1kd2447@news.supernews.com...
>
> "Lark" <jelarkspur@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e7c4031a-dec8-4c0b-b92c-df2e8830a1b5@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>> As of Tuesday morning, the forecast for Sunday is:
>>
>> 27 degrees
>> 70% chance of snow
>> 28 mph winds
>>
>> This will not help the passing game. The good news is this is New
>> England and there's plenty of time for the forecast to change, but the
>> weather situation merits watching. I was leaning towards taking the
>> "under" anyway even on a clear day. People talking about scoring 70+
>> on the Jets are out of their minds. This is Mangini's one and only
>> chance to salvage something from this season and get revenge upon
>> Belichick, and I fully expect him to use all the usual tactics to
>> "shorten" the game. My prediction is the Patriots won't score more
>> than 35 points, but that high 20s will be enough to win the game.
>
> I've set these things in motion to screw (can a $DIETY say that?) up the
> Jests game planning.
> I'll fix it before Sunday (it's my day of rest).

What is a "diety"? Is that like someone who is always on a diet?

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 10:08 am
From: "Professor"

"TXRhody" <stacks@myway.com> wrote in message
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> "$DIETY" <diety@pearlygates.net> wrote in message
> news:13ltisqq1kd2447@news.supernews.com...
>> "Lark" <jelarkspur@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:e7c4031a-dec8-4c0b-b92c-df2e8830a1b5@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>> As of Tuesday morning, the forecast for Sunday is:
>>>
>>> 27 degrees
>>> 70% chance of snow
>>> 28 mph winds
>>>
>>> This will not help the passing game. The good news is this is New
>>> England and there's plenty of time for the forecast to change, but the
>>> weather situation merits watching. I was leaning towards taking the
>>> "under" anyway even on a clear day. People talking about scoring 70+
>>> on the Jets are out of their minds. This is Mangini's one and only
>>> chance to salvage something from this season and get revenge upon
>>> Belichick, and I fully expect him to use all the usual tactics to
>>> "shorten" the game. My prediction is the Patriots won't score more
>>> than 35 points, but that high 20s will be enough to win the game.
>>
>> I've set these things in motion to screw (can a $DIETY say that?) up the
>> Jests game planning.
>> I'll fix it before Sunday (it's my day of rest).
>
> What is a "diety"? Is that like someone who is always on a diet?
>
I think he means "deity" but he can't afford a spellchecker.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 10:14 am
From: je.s.te.r@hehxduhmp.org

MZ <mark@void.nospam> wrote:
> I think the Pats will score close to 40, and I don't see how the Jets can
> come anywhere close to doing the same.

That's what my head tells me (and really, if the weather is OK, I wouldn't
be surprised to see the Pats break all sorts of records in that game), but
my gut gets a little worried when people are already measuring the coffins
for the Jets players.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 10:17 am
From: "Glenn Greenstein"

"MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
news:g6mdnRRFt4DfJMPanZ2dnUVZ_s2tnZ2d@giganews.com...
> <je.s.te.r@hehxduhmp.org> wrote in message
> news:nc6dneaPcowPKcPanZ2dnUVZ_u3inZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Lark <jelarkspur@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> weather situation merits watching. I was leaning towards taking the
>>> "under" anyway even on a clear day. People talking about scoring 70+
>>> on the Jets are out of their minds. This is Mangini's one and only
>>
>> I've actually been saying for a bit now that if the Pats got past
>> the Steelers that this was going to be the game that the Pats lose.
>> Everyone expects the score to be 130-0 ... that's a dangerous situation.
>> Also, it isn't like the Jets *completely* suck, they still have the
>> ability to play a good game (they beat the Steelers), and they do have
>> more inisght than most into the Pats team. Throw in bad weather (aka
>> the great equalizer) and blammo.
>>
>> BTW, am I the only person concerned that Pats fans are now watching the
>> weather forecast a week out in hopes of keeping the offense firing on
>> all cylinders? Why don't we just have them build a dome and rename
>> the team to the colts or the rams?
>
> I agree that none of the next three games are gimmes. However, the Jets
> are currently pretty awful. Clemens may have a future, but in the present
> he's pretty bad. I like Thomas Jones and Leon Washington a lot, but that
> line is a joke. And defensively, they just can't do much against the
> pass. Revis looks like he's going to be a really good corner in this
> league, but I see 3 PIs/holds coming from him in this game. Harris seems
> to have improved their run D, but there's no chance in hell that he'll be
> able to cover Welker.
>
> Hell, I'd take the Dolphins to beat the Pats before I'd take the Jets.
Welker will be covered by Rhodes.
>

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 10:18 am
From: "Glenn Greenstein"

<je.s.te.r@hehxduhmp.org> wrote in message
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> MZ <mark@nospam.void> wrote:
>> Hell, I'd take the Dolphins to beat the Pats before I'd take the Jets.
>
> Aside from a cosmic balance sort of thing, I would disagree there. The
> Jets have given up ... I don't even see them doing the whole (I hate
> this phrase) "this is our superbowl" thing against the Pats. They're
> just down there collecting their paychecks and waiting for the season
> to end.
>
> The Jets suck, but at least it seems like they try a little bit.

I don't agree with the Jets giving up. I do agree they suck, but they try to
win every game. Just a matter of a lot of bad players on the team and not a
very good HC.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 10:18 am
From: "Professor"

"Glenn Greenstein" <glen.jackson@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:AuA7j.242299$kj1.8611@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> "MZ" <mark@nospam.void> wrote in message
> news:g6mdnRRFt4DfJMPanZ2dnUVZ_s2tnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> <je.s.te.r@hehxduhmp.org> wrote in message
>> news:nc6dneaPcowPKcPanZ2dnUVZ_u3inZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> Lark <jelarkspur@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> weather situation merits watching. I was leaning towards taking the
>>>> "under" anyway even on a clear day. People talking about scoring 70+
>>>> on the Jets are out of their minds. This is Mangini's one and only
>>>
>>> I've actually been saying for a bit now that if the Pats got past
>>> the Steelers that this was going to be the game that the Pats lose.
>>> Everyone expects the score to be 130-0 ... that's a dangerous situation.
>>> Also, it isn't like the Jets *completely* suck, they still have the
>>> ability to play a good game (they beat the Steelers), and they do have
>>> more inisght than most into the Pats team. Throw in bad weather (aka
>>> the great equalizer) and blammo.
>>>
>>> BTW, am I the only person concerned that Pats fans are now watching the
>>> weather forecast a week out in hopes of keeping the offense firing on
>>> all cylinders? Why don't we just have them build a dome and rename
>>> the team to the colts or the rams?
>>
>> I agree that none of the next three games are gimmes. However, the Jets
>> are currently pretty awful. Clemens may have a future, but in the
>> present he's pretty bad. I like Thomas Jones and Leon Washington a lot,
>> but that line is a joke. And defensively, they just can't do much
>> against the pass. Revis looks like he's going to be a really good corner
>> in this league, but I see 3 PIs/holds coming from him in this game.
>> Harris seems to have improved their run D, but there's no chance in hell
>> that he'll be able to cover Welker.
>>
>> Hell, I'd take the Dolphins to beat the Pats before I'd take the Jets.
> Welker will be covered by Rhodes.
>>
>
Cover Welker? Damn, somebody must have given them the blueprint!

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TOPIC: Belichick Offers Family Of Child With Cancer $2,000..
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 9:45 am
From: Mrs. Dud

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:54:18 -0800 (PST), "mr
dude@harvarduniversity.edu" <fosterfla@gmail.com> wrote:

>...to make the problem go away.
>
>Boston Herald (December 11, 2007) by Blason Jaire
>- Attorneys for New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick have
>offered the family of eleven year old cancer victim Jason Whitberg
>$2,000 to stop speaking to the press about the encounter between
>Belichick and young Whitberg.
>
Notice he still hasn't provided an actual link to the original
story, so this story, like the original are all fake.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 10:03 am
From: "who'sthat"

"Mrs. Dud" <Mrs. Dud @ Buffalo State College.edu> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:54:18 -0800 (PST), "mr
> dude@harvarduniversity.edu" <fosterfla@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >...to make the problem go away.
> >
> >Boston Herald (December 11, 2007) by Blason Jaire
> >- Attorneys for New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick have
> >offered the family of eleven year old cancer victim Jason Whitberg
> >$2,000 to stop speaking to the press about the encounter between
> >Belichick and young Whitberg.
> >
> Notice he still hasn't provided an actual link to the original
> story, so this story, like the original are all fake.

I hate to tell you this but you're the only one waiting for a link.
Everyone else knows it's bs.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 10:13 am
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"

On Dec 11, 10:03 am, "who'sthat" <whosthat@UKnowI'mmRight.com> wrote:

> I hate to tell you this but you're the only one waiting for a link.
> Everyone else knows it's bs.

I e-mailed you the post!

Your welcome in advance.

mr dude

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 10:18 am
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"

On Dec 11, 9:45 am, Mrs. Dud <Mrs. Dud @ Buffalo State College.edu>
wrote:

>
> Notice he still hasn't provided an actual link to the original
> story, so this story, like the original are all fake.

Contact me directly for the link - which I have already posted
TWICE!!!!!

mr dude

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TOPIC: "RAT" signs
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 9:48 am
From: "who'sthat"

"Tony Giacometti" <TonyGiacometti@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:dqKdna_c2px7JMPanZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@hawaiiantel.net...
> Rick Rockett wrote:
>
> >
> > "Glenn Greenstein" <glen.jackson@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> > news:dww7j.37289$MJ6.18453@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >
> >> Rick, being a dad who has coached is kids in every PAL sport in our
town,
> >> what you are being sarcastic about here is closer to the truth than you
> >> know.
> > Glenn, I know it first hand as well. I was coaching our towns Little
> > League All Star team one year. We had a Coaches/Parents meeting before
the
> > tournament. We wanted to outline the rules of play i.e. minimum playing
> > time and what they thought our teams philosophy should be. In other
words,
> > did they want us to play to win or play everyone equally even if it
didn't
> > give the team the best chance to win. Bad mistake. To a parent they
wanted
> > equal playing time and could care less about winning. What these parents
> > don't understand is that the kids want to win. They actually know who
the
> > best players are. They have no idea what a kid feels like if he makes a
> > mistake costing a game. Even though most kids don't take it out on them,
> > they're still kids.
> > People can say all they want about losing being a learning thing. Kids
> > don't buy that.
> > Sports is about winning with class and dignity, and accepting losses and
> > learning from them.
> > That year, we won our 1st game and then lost our next two. We played to
> > the parents wishes. While we were rotating players in and out, we heard
> > grumbling from both the kids and the parents. A couple of boys actually
> > came up to us and said that they shouldn't be in and that others should
> > play. Learned our lesson that year, it's easier to keep the kid's happy
> > than the parents.
>
> perfect example of liberalism being a mental disorder!

stan, you're sooooo hot. When are we getting together for our threesome?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 10:15 am
From: "Professor"

"Glenn Greenstein" <glen.jackson@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:sUz7j.242130$kj1.237392@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> "Manfred Noland" <RockNRollM@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:27077-475EA285-1091@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net...
>> My sign will read.. " Magina "
>>
> LOL
> Gotta love pat fans.
> Try learning to spell your insults the right way.
>
And the guy's name is Man-fred too! It must be the webtv effect.

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TOPIC: 11 year old girl executes a fatality on 10 year old boy
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 9:47 am
From: d3ad baby 3at3r

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2007/11/12/qc-
steeustachedeath1112.html

A 12-year-old boy died Monday morning after he was hit by a girl during
morning recess at a Laurentians-area school north of Montreal, police said.

Provincial police said the children were arguing in the schoolyard in
Saint-Eustache and insulting each other when the quarrel escalated into a
shoving match.

The 11-year-old girl allegedly punched the boy in the chest. The boy, who
was in Grade 6, then collapsed, according to eyewitness reports.

He was taken to hospital unconscious and died later. The girl has been
placed in the care of youth protection officials.

Officials at the Horizon-Soleil school said that neither of the two
students had a history of violence, but noted that the boy who died was
known by staff to have cardiac problems stemming from heart arrhythmia, or
an irregular heartbeat.

Still, the boy was reportedly healthy enough to participate in gym class.

--
Rob Cypher
robcypher.livejournal.com
Usenet vet '96 to infinity....

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TOPIC: whatever the outcome, Steelers still have 5 rings, all with integrity
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/browse_thread/thread/0ac9ceef1c5878f9?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 9:59 am
From: "who'sthat"

"Husky" <Cynsguy@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3b73c741-2c9d-4eae-866c-276bd148e7af@w28g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 10, 4:09 pm, who'sthat <whosthat@UKnowI'mmRight.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:31:11 -0800 (PST), Husky <Cyns...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >On Dec 10, 2:15 pm, who'sthat <whosthat@UKnowI'mmRight.com> wrote:
> > >> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:33:32 -0800 (PST), Husky <Cyns...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> >
> > >> >On Dec 10, 1:25 pm, who'sthat <whosthat@UKnowI'mmRight.com> wrote:
> > >> >> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:26:06 -0800 (PST), Husky
<Cyns...@gmail.com>
> > >> >> wrote:
> >
> > >> >> >On Dec 10, 12:16 pm, who'sthat <whosthat@UKnowI'mmRight.com>
wrote:
> > >> >> >> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:55:55 -0800 (PST), warth...@gmail.com
wrote:
> > >> >> >> >On Dec 8, 6:26 pm, who'sthat <whosthat@UKnowI'mmRight.com>
wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 18:19:43 -0500, "Quixoticelixer" <RHCP@*>
wrote:
> >
> > >> >> >> >> >"hexHead(R)" <hexH...@msn.com> wrote in message
> > >> >> >> >> >news:f19ml3p22l9fk8qq2j19qh0u96iqaboe7r@4ax.com...
> > >> >> >> >> >> for all you Patsies fans, integrity means "no cheating"
> >
> > >> >> >> >> >Like no steroids?
> >
> > >> >> >> >> Where steroids illegal?
> >
> > >> >> >> >The use of them to gain a competitive advantage demonstrates
complete
> > >> >> >> >lack of integrity, regardless of whether or not they were
illegal.
> >
> > >> >> >> They weren't illegal in the NFL therefore the whine that the
Steelers
> > >> >> >> cheated is just that...a pitiful whine
> >
> > >> >> >This issue has been addressed, but you already knew that. If
their
> > >> >> >use is for off label usage and or if they were attained sans a
> > >> >> >legitimate prescription, it is a violation of Federal Law and the
> > >> >> >standard NFL players contract.
> > >> >>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/ms...
> >
> > >> >> Whining
> >
> > >> >Trolling.
> >
> > >> >I see you're not a big fan of facts.
> >
> > >> >"None so blind as those who will not see!"
> >
> > >> The facts are that there was no rule violation.....unless you have
> > >> some proof?
> >
> > >It's Violation of standard behavioral ethics clause. Ask Michael Vick
> > >how that works.
> >
> > And the NFL punished him for it. Now show me where the Steelers were
> > punished. If you can't then you're wrong.
>
> That's Convoluted Logic, A very silly statement on your part, and I'll
> show you why; Show me where OJ was punished! Tell me you never broke
> a speed limit and got away with it, without lying.

Actually, I've never broken the speed limit. I'm the guy you see driving in
the fast lane at 45 mph. In fact, I've never driven faster than 50. Now,
if there is a law against having sex with sheep, then yeah, I'm guilty.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 10:03 am
From: "MZ"

"who'sthat" <whosthat@UKnowI'mmRight.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Husky" <Cynsguy@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> That's Convoluted Logic, A very silly statement on your part, and I'll
>> show you why; Show me where OJ was punished! Tell me you never broke
>> a speed limit and got away with it, without lying.
>
> Actually, I've never broken the speed limit. I'm the guy you see driving
> in
> the fast lane at 45 mph. In fact, I've never driven faster than 50. Now,
> if there is a law against having sex with sheep, then yeah, I'm guilty.

So you've dropped that excuse about just trying to help it over the fence,
huh?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 10:09 am
From: "who'sthat"

"MZ" <mark@void.nospam> wrote in message
news:TJWdnRQuhL1KTcPanZ2dnUVZ_s-pnZ2d@giganews.com...
> "who'sthat" <whosthat@UKnowI'mmRight.com> wrote in message
> news:%cA7j.7222$AR7.5464@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
> >
> > "Husky" <Cynsguy@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> That's Convoluted Logic, A very silly statement on your part, and I'll
> >> show you why; Show me where OJ was punished! Tell me you never broke
> >> a speed limit and got away with it, without lying.
> >
> > Actually, I've never broken the speed limit. I'm the guy you see
driving
> > in
> > the fast lane at 45 mph. In fact, I've never driven faster than 50.
Now,
> > if there is a law against having sex with sheep, then yeah, I'm guilty.
>
> So you've dropped that excuse about just trying to help it over the fence,
> huh?

I used to use that one but nobody believed me. I wonder if it's because we
don't have a fence.

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TOPIC: gov'ment says online gambling is illegal
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ne-patriots/browse_thread/thread/bf83601fdac03759?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 10:01 am
From: d3ad baby 3at3r

Even as Governor Deval Patrick seeks to license three resort casinos in
Massachusetts, he hopes to clamp down on the explosion in Internet
gambling by making it illegal for state residents to place a bet on
line. He has proposed jail terms of up to two years and $25,000 fines
for violators.

The provision, buried deep in Patrick's bill to allow three casinos to
the state, puts the governor at odds with a fellow Democrat: US
Representative Barney Frank, the sponsor of federal legislation to
license and regulate online gambling nationally. Yesterday Frank
strongly criticized the governor's plan to punish online gamers while
inviting casino operators to set up shop.

"Why is gambling in a casino OK and gambling on the Internet is not?"
Frank said. "He's making a big mistake. He's giving opponents an
argument against him."

A 46-year-old federal law prohibits betting using telephone lines, which
the US Department of Justice has interpreted as prohibiting all online
gambling. The government's policy has been to prosecute the operators of
Internet gambling sites, but not the gamblers.

Patrick's provision takes aim at both and would levy the same penalties
on either end of the transaction. Courts have been divided over the
legality of placing bets on line, and state laws vary on the issue.
Massachusetts currently has no prohibition, and if its ban is adopted.
it would join such states as Utah, Nevada, and Washington.

Patrick officials declined yesterday to explain the governor's rationale
for including the provision in the proposed legislation. They also would
not respond to Frank's comments.

"Several of the provisions of the governor's proposed resort casinos
bill seek to clarify the laws relating to gaming in Massachusetts,
including online gaming," said Kofi Jones, spokeswoman for the
governor's chief gambling adviser, Daniel O'Connell, secretary of
economic development. Others suggested the provision was included to
make casino licenses more lucrative by preventing competition from
online operators.

"If you were cynical about it, you'd think that they're trying to set up
a monopoly for the casinos," said David G. Schwartz, director of the
Center for Gaming Research at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas.

Patrick's casino legislation, which has been introduced at the State
House but is not expected to get a hearing until next year, would
license three casinos in three regions of the state. Casino developers
would bid on the licenses, and Patrick expects they would attract 10-
year licensing fees of $200 million to $300 million for each casino.

Since the first Internet casino went live in 1995, online gambling has
exploded nationwide. Users have flooded thousands of gambling sites,
punching in credit card numbers for the rights to play cyberbingo and
real-time poker from their homes. It still lags behind brick-and-mortar
casinos, but online gambling has become a formidable industry, totaling
$12 billion in 2005, according to Christiansen Capital Advisors, a
Maine-based research firm.

Based on its reading of the 1961 Wire Act, which bans using telephone
line to place bets, the US Department of Justice contends that operating
online gambling sites is illegal, although most of the sites are
operated offshore and do not fall under US laws. Last year, Congress
approved a gambling bill that bars credit card companies from making
payments to online gambling websites, making it more difficult to place
bets. Frank's bill, which was filed earlier this year, would effectively
overturn that law and license and regulate online gambling in the United
States.
"I believe in personal liberty," Frank said. "Adults should be able to
do what they want. I wish my fellow liberals would not be so
inconsistent on this issue."

Patrick's provision, which is described in three paragraphs of the bill,
applies to anyone in Massachusetts who places or receives a wager of any
type using a telephone, cellphone, Internet, or local wireless networks.
It also applies to anyone who knowingly installs equipment for
transmitting wagers. The provision also specifically exempts the
proposed casinos from the law.

It does not say specifically how the state would enforce the ban, but
the bill would establish an independent Gaming Control Authority and a
division of Gaming Investigation and Enforcement within the attorney
general's office, which would have broad powers to enforce regulations
and investigate crimes.

But in trying to ban online gambling while expanding casinos, the
governor's administration appears to be alienating a constituency that
might otherwise support his gambling expansion.

The Poker Players Alliance, a group that says it represents the
interests of online gamblers, began a letter-writing campaign last week
and has generated 1,700 letters to the governor and various state
legislators. The Washington-based organization has 16,000 members in
Massachusetts, which is a fraction of what the alliance estimates are
the 250,000 online poker players in the state.

"I feel betrayed by the very existence of this legislation," the letter
read. "It's especially aggravating that this language is contained in a
larger bill to expand casino gambling in the Commonwealth. This contrast
is utter hypocrisy."

The organization, which recently campaigned against Governor Ernie
Fletcher of Kentucky for nixing a proposed casino referendum, supports
the governor's proposal for three Massachusetts casinos, but plans to
oppose the overall bill.

"It makes absolutely no sense to me," said Randy Castonguay, director of
the Massachusetts chapter of the Poker Players Alliance. "It's actually
kind of laughable if you think about it."

Laura Everett, spokeswoman for Casino Free Massachusetts, a coalition of
anticasino advocates, said that while some in the group may oppose
online gambling, the organization is focused on fighting brick-and-
mortar casinos. "We think the whole bill is a problem," she said. "One
provision is not going to make a difference."

--
Rob Cypher
robcypher.livejournal.com
Usenet vet '96 to infinity....

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 10:20 am
From: "MZ"

"d3ad baby 3at3r" <deadheadkiller@spine.org> wrote in message
news:Xns9A038489736ECrobcypher@62.76.176.130...
> Even as Governor Deval Patrick seeks to license three resort casinos in
> Massachusetts, he hopes to clamp down on the explosion in Internet
> gambling by making it illegal for state residents to place a bet on
> line. He has proposed jail terms of up to two years and $25,000 fines
> for violators.

Smart move, Deval. Now you'll have bookies taking $25k bets on whether or
not they'll get caught.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 10:13 am
From: Husky

On Dec 11, 12:20 pm, "Glenn Greenstein"
<glen.jack...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> <je.s.t...@hehxduhmp.org> wrote in message
>
> news:nc6dneePcoyYKcPanZ2dnUVZ_u3inZ2d@comcast.com...> Glenn Greenstein <glen.jack...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >> Brady should have not even noticed this guy.
>
> > I disagree entirely. I fully agree w/ the Pats attitudes towards not
> > talking trash, etc during the week - but I'm of the mindset that during
> > a competition of any sort, that you want to:
>
> > 1) crush your opponent as viciously as possible
> > 2) remove their will to compete
> > 3) make them feel humiliated
>
> > trash talking, etc helps accomplish points #2 and #3
>
> Trash talking to Troy Polomolu is one thing, but doing it to Smith is just
> childish.

Once again, Smith took it up to another level when he directed
profanities at him, directly, during pre game warm ups. I guess we
all have our standards as to what we consider "childish."

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 10:13 am
From: je.s.te.r@hehxduhmp.org

Glenn Greenstein <glen.jackson@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Trash talking to Troy Polomolu is one thing, but doing it to Smith is just
> childish.

I disagree. Its all part of point #3, humiliating your opponent. Sure,
it might cause them to "get up for the game" down the road, but it could
also cause long lasting psychological effects if you get in their head.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 10:19 am
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"

On Dec 10, 7:16 am, JeffH <jeffh_102...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Best QB ever man.. He knows he's good and he even talks a little shit
> sometimes but backs it up.

Having years of illegal films of opposing defenses sure makes his job
easier!

mr dude

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 10:15 am
From: "Hobbes"

"Cloud Screamer" <AlGoreCan@BlowMe.com> wrote in message
news:88SdnaialNU4QcDanZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Feels good to see a jigaboo thug like Vick finally get his due.....now
> when do we get to see those criminals Bill Belichick and Nigga Moss get
> theirs? I cant wait! :-)
>
> There's no federal law against having unwanted bastard children, but Tom
> Brady will face judgment day before God......and God wont be happy that
> day, bitch!
>
> Cheers,
> Cloud
>
> P.S. - Pats hired a career felon like Moss.....you can bet the mortgage
> they hire Vick the day he's released from the pokey.
>
>

TJM now shitstan returns, I don't know which is worst.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 11 2007 10:18 am
From: Harlan Lachman

In article <4xm7j.16481$dX.9092@trnddc08>,
"Professor" <vzey7sgz@verizon.net> wrote:

> The Jets get a chance to even the score with the Patriots on Sunday but no
> one here is talking about how overrated the Patriots are or how the Jets are
> going to beat them up? Come on guys, Patriots fans need bulletin board
> material to get the juices flowing. Doesn't anyone here believe these Jets
> will win? Weren't you calling him boy-genius less than a year ago?

All the defensiveness, ignorance and inability to enjoy the moment is
over in your NG. Go home and wallow in the greatest season any pro
football team has had and wonder why you just cannot enjoy it.

harlan

--
To respond, obviously drop the "nospan"?

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